Episode
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Transitioning To A Plant-based Diet: Tips For Beginners

If you're considering transitioning to a plant-based diet, or are already plant-based and looking for some tips on sustaining your lifestyle, this podcast interview with Dr. Matthew Nagra is a must-listen. Dr. Nagra is a Naturopathic doctor who has himself made the transition to a plant-based diet, and in this interview, he discusses how to sustainably make the switch. He also offers advice on how to talk to your doctor if they're against a plant-based diet, and how to deal with friends and family who aren't supportive of your lifestyle choice. Finally, he shares his own story of how he became plant-based and why he continues to sustain this lifestyle. Whether you're just starting to explore plant-based eating or are already on the journey, this interview is sure to offer some valuable insights!
Hosted by
Laurie Marbas
Last updated
September 16, 2022

Timestamps

00:01:36 Introduction
00:02:24 Dr. Nagra's journey to becoming a doctor
00:07:42 Education of a Naturopathic doctor
00:14:00 How plant-based medicine is growing in Canada
00:18:48 Tips for eating plant-based with family and friends
00:25:10 Book recommendations when starting a plant-based diet
00:26:50 Tips for people just starting a plant-based diet

Podcast Transcript

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Welcome to the podcast. I'm Dr. Laurie Marbas, and I'm excited to introduce Dr. Matthew Nagra. How are you today?

Dr. Matthew Nagra: I'm good. How you

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Very good. And so you're meeting us from, or joining journey is from the, our neighbor up north in Canada. So how how's everything going up there?

Dr. Matthew Nagra: It's good. It was raining a lot until about a week ago and now it's been sunny every day, so that's

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Good. Oh, very nice. It's hit hundreds here. So I'm, I'm a, I'm hurting a little bit. <Laugh> so excellent. So you're a naturopathic doctor, but you have a, a story that led you to this path. And I, I always love to hear the stories of, you know, of our medical professionals in what made them choose to serve others in like this healing profession. So could you share that with me please?

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Yeah. so when I was younger, I definitely had, you know, a few health issues. I had issues with weight, asthma allergies that were, you know, terrible through the, the spring and that and when I was about 14, I actually had a pretty significant asthma attack as well. I remember I was, I mean, it's a little hazy at this point, but they put me on oxygen for like half an hour. Didn't really, or improved things temporarily got worse. Again, couldn't breathe. They put me back on it. It was, it was a whole thing. Wow. And yeah, and you know, that was and, and I love my family doctor. He was, he was always so great. He'd always squeeze us in if we ever needed anything. He he was really good at just like listening and and he only even now I've moved away.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: So I, I'm not seeing him at this time, but, you know, my family goes to season, he's always asking about me and stuff. He's just, he's one of those people that just, we had a really good relationship with. And so that, you know, in, in a sense, kind of got me interested in, in maybe wanting to pursue that sort of a path as well. But moving forward a little bit from when I had that issue when I was 14 shortly thereafter, maybe, you know, a year or so later, I started working with a personal trainer as I was starting to play football. So I'd played soccer, I'd done martial arts and I'd done a little bit of everything, but I was getting into football there and I wanted to increase my speed and that, and he really pushed this idea of more plant based diet which is, yeah, not super common.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: He's just big, bulky, you know, muscular guy he's pushing more of, you know, eat your eat your nuts and seeds and all that kind of stuff. And <laugh>, and, you know, after being hesitant for, for quite some time, especially when he was telling me to like ditch dairy and all, all this he wanted me to record everything that I ate for a period of a couple weeks. And so when he wanted me to do that food diary I kind of got worried that he was gonna see my diet and see how bad it was because it was not good. And so I thought, you know, I'm just gonna, for these couple weeks, I'm gonna eat according to his plan, I'm just gonna kind of cheat the system a little bit. I didn't lie. I didn't lie about what I ate.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: I just changed what I was eating for that period of time. And I started feeling better. I noticed, you know, I was losing weight in those couple weeks. It seemed like even my breathing was getting better, whether that's, you know, due to the weight loss and that too. I mean, I'm sure there are multiple factors there. And I thought, wow, like, you know, these guy's actually onto something. And from then on, I kind of stuck with it and I just kept learning more and more and more about it over the next couple years until eventually I, I decided to dive in, you know, a hundred percent plant based I have been now for over 11 years and, and that's kind of around when I started university. So that's what got me interested in nutrition. So I had the, the, you know, as I was talking about with medicine, my, my doctor kind of be interested in that sort of a path, but now I'm like, I also wanna help people with nutrition and, and, you know try to possibly improve their health that way.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: And I actually had one of my instructors in university recommend that I shadow they an apathic doctor and there was actually a couple a husband and a wife who practiced very differently. So that also kind of opened me to the idea of like, wow, there's actually a much broader scope here than what I might have thought. I feel like that's still an issue here, a bit in that people don't really know what we can do, or what's within the scope. Like for example, here in BC, I can prescribe medications. That's, you know, we aren't like anti-medicine, as people tend to think, like we have that in our toolkit, for sure. And from then on, I just you know, I went, I did a student for a day at the school, spoke with current students, spoke with other naturalpathic doctors and, and eventually thought like, if I really wanna wanna have sort of that primary care type of, of practice, but also have this heavy emphasis on nutrition and lifestyle, I think that this is a pretty good fit for me. So that was maybe a little bit long winded, but that's kind of the story right there. <Laugh>

Dr. Laurie Marbas: No, no, that's great. So can you give us a little bit better clear definition of a naturopathic doc versus a regular alopathic physician? Like an MD?

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Yeah. So the it's, it's challenging because there's a bit of like rebranding and that kind of going on around it, particularly here in BC, and it's also different depending on where you are. So the scope will vary here in BC. We have one of the broadest scopes that you're gonna see. So at the end of the day, what, what we are, we are essentially primary care physicians who have a focus on diet lifestyle is, is it's not unlike lifestyle medicine which has kind of become that subspecialty in the medical field. I would say it's very much like that now within the naturopathic scope, there are things I would say that aren't very well supported by evidence either. I stay away from those things and, and we are seeing, seeing some sort of advancements as far as like you know, cracking down on people who are maybe promoting practices that aren't supported and that kind of thing. As far as the regulatory bodies go but as far as how I practice, it is very much that lifestyle medicine focused, I'd say as a broad overview, that's probably the best sort of way to look at what naturopathic medicine can be.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Gotcha. So what is the required training education? So you go to, well, and like in the United States, I went to medical school, went to well college, four years medical school, four years in a three year residency to become an MD family medicine resident. So what does that path look like for someone who may be interested in, in pursuing a similar path?

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Mm-Hmm <affirmative> yeah. So similar to with medicine, you need to go into undergraduate studies, go to prerequisite, you need at least three years of training. Pretty much everybody. I know who's gotten into the program had four years had a degree at, at the very least, some of them had advanced degrees. And then as far as prereqs, they pretty much the same as, as with medicine, you, your chem, bio, you know, micro Biona, all of that. And then you have four years of the naturopathic training, whereas in the first two years, it's largely those basic sciences, clinical diagnoses you know, clinical skills, that kind of thing. The latter two years, you start to blend that with more clinical practice. Obviously the fourth year, very heavily on the, the clinical practice. And actually one of the cool things here was we had sort of satellite clinics around. So we had you know, clinics that were focused. You could travel to Vancouver island and, and practice there on weekends with like a family practice. And then we had downtown Vancouver here sort of HIV focused clinic. So you're just helping that population with, with whatever it is that they're coming in with. So yeah, we did get that kind of, you know, nice exposure as well.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Awesome. So then as far as looking for any advancements in, like you're saying you're focused in, on the nutritional lifestyle, mm-hmm <affirmative> where do you feel like that? I don't know if you're familiar with the regular MD training, cause we lack that dramatically. What is, what are they training? Are they saying a plant based diet primarily? Are they just saying more whole foods? Like, what does that look like? What do they, what do they teach you in the nutrition and lifestyle medicine? Because honestly, I feel like alopathic training could learn from, you know, incorporating some of the things that you're describing.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Yeah. So with the nutrition side we do spend a lot of time, I'd say maybe even a little too much time on, on, you know, exude is a good source of X nutrient. These are the nutrient requirements that, which is important to know. But, but I think it was very heavy on that at least for the first, you know, term or, or first couple terms even. But beyond that, when it gets into actual you know, kind of clinical nutrition nutrition for prevention disease for, you know, aiding the treatment of disease, you know, by and large, it, it does boil, boil down to a mostly plant based diet. I, I would say very Mediterranean diet focus, as far as our training, we do learn about, you know, the Ornish diet and, and all of that as well. And, and like, from that standpoint, I'd say it's actually quite good. Like our nutrition training is, is fairly good. There are a few things I would change, but, but overall I I'm pretty happy with that.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Cool. And so what has been your experience now, as you've mentioned out into the world as an ND any patient stories you like to share or where you feel things should get better? Like I'm curious how how's been your experience in your professional life.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Yeah, well actually funny enough I, I'm relatively new to practice compared to, to a lot of you know, a lot of the, the older colleagues. I started practice really six months maybe before the everything got shut down. Oh.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: In, I started, I started around mid to 2019. Oh. So, you know, I started going and then all of a sudden I'm doing telemedicine. And so it's been, you know, been a bit of a, a bump that way. But as far as like stories, I, I think I have quite a few of them. I have some, you know, dramatic reductions in, you know, blood pressure for some individuals who have, you know, very high, you know, 1 60, 1 70, 180 as far as systolic. I've seen great reductions in cholesterol. I actually had one person drop a full milli per liter, which in milligrams for deciliter, I'm not sure what that is for LDL cholesterol. I, I don't know the conversion. It's huge.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Like that's huge. It does convert. Yeah. There is an interesting conversion. Yeah. I don't know it off

Dr. Matthew Nagra: The, but, but like that reduction is, is incredible, but that was someone who went from, from sort of a keto style, high saturated, fat diet. They were at risk, you know, doctors wanna put 'em on statins, which I actually recommend. I was like, Hey, if you're so high that this, this is a good way to go, but he wanted to try diet first. So so we did the portfolio diet, you know, heavy plant-based very low saturated fat, and we had this just dramatic reduction. So that was really cool. To see. And then I also, I, I tend to get a lot of you know, parents who are wanting to raise their kids on a plant-based diet, wanna make sure that they're doing it appropriately. And really the funny thing about that, and I'm always kind of reinforcing this with those patients is that those people who are coming to see me to make sure that everything is, is in check, they're the ones who are doing it the best, you know, they already are. There's not a lot to change a lot of times I'm always super, super impressed with those, you know, people who are coming in just to make sure everything's going well. You know, and be proactive because they clearly, already done their research.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Mm-Hmm <affirmative> absolutely. No, those were the, those were the easiest patients. Cause they've already, they've already drank the Kool-Aid so to speak, you know, the, the green juice <laugh> yeah. Those are fun. Excellent. So then have you transitioned more fully to seeing people in person now that things have gotten a little bit better?

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Yeah. I I'd say I'm seeing people mostly in person at this point. I still offer telemedicine. I actually like doing that just because you know, if someone's not right here in Vancouver, like I'm registered throughout British Columbia. So I can see people who are maybe on Vancouver island, which is where I'm actually from, or you know, elsewhere where we can't do in person visits, obviously, depending on what they're seeing before, if I need to do physical exams and whatnot, it's not gonna work. But if it's just some basic nutrition counseling, like I, I definitely like doing that.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Yeah, absolutely. Vancouver island is one of my favorite places. <Laugh>

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Yeah, I think it was that Dr. Dr. Clapper is one of his favorite places too. He was telling

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Me yes. Yes. Love Vancouver, Vancouver island, all of that. And then as far as looking forward, where do you see is like, do you feel like Vancouver is fairly progressive or Canada and geNagrals, you know, accepting of these type of nutritional recommendations or where do you see your challenges or, or positive things coming

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Me? Yeah. Yeah. I think Vancouver is very progressive in that sense. It just seems to be exploding here. Whether it be a new restaurant literally popping up every week, it's, it's like crazy here. I have this list of all the ones I need to check as they keep coming out. I just can't, I can't keep up. So that's one thing I'm definitely seeing it. So I I'm I'm involved with animal rights as well here. So we'll do some like demonstrations or, or I'll speak with the public sometimes about those issues. And I'm always impressed with how many people are already on board or trying to make those changes and maybe they should need a little assistance. And so obviously anecdotal, but from that standpoint, I I'd say it's definitely moving forward in the kind of central Canada, not too sure.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: I feel like they'd be a little more hesitant once you get into like Alberta and Saskatchewan and that it's, it's big, you know, farming communities and that as well. But then you get out east. I I've heard that Ontario is great. I'm I haven't been there in a while, but I've heard they're doing a lot there, and actually I'm hoping to go out there next year for the big planted expo. So we'll, we'll see if that happens and and get to see what the, the vegan community is like over there.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Cool. So tell me a little bit about your interest in the animal ethics component of this. How did that develop just how, how did that develop? Cause I feel like that's a very common thing that occurs. You go plant based and you're like, I can't unsee what I've just learned, you know?

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Yeah. It's, it's interesting because I found that when I was younger, I didn't care, you know, I, I, it wasn't until I started eating this way and realized that, you know, it's actually really easy. It's good for me. And I feel better that, okay, maybe, maybe I can allow this in and I'll allow myself to be exposed to this sort of thing and, and really think about it. So and, and I think that might be a sort of roadblock for a lot of people. I find that a lot of times when I do have those conversations with the public, one of the things is, oh, you know, I need it for, I need to eat meat for this, that, or, you know, another reason. But once that is gone, once that excuse is, is gone altogether then maybe you can actually stand of think about these other, you know, environment is another one on top of the animal rights.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: So it, it developed over time, I'd say within the first couple years of me moving towards that plant based diet, and it was the exact same personal trainer who told me to watch earth wings actually, funny enough, he was the same one. He's like, he's like I remember the words, he was like the he's like, you know, people think they're so much smarter than these animals, but if you watch that film, they won't look all that smart to you. So just because of the things that the people are doing. So exactly. Yeah, yeah. That, that's the one that, that eventually got me.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Yeah. One of my favorite interviews was the director of earthlings. I've been able to interview some pretty cool people over the last six years and that, that one and the director of game changers and some really gets you going. Fantastic. So as far as your, do you have a family or do you have friends that you've also helped the along the way? I think something about your dad, you mentioned.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Yeah. Yeah. So actually my dad's staying with me right now. I kicked him out while I'm doing this. So he's, he's going, he's doing a little shopping right now, but he's over here for a soccer tournament. So yeah, he, he comes over a lot. My my mom comes and visits pretty often, same with my sister and they've actually all gone plant based at this point too. Wow. but it was after me. It, it took, I think about five years or so after I did, you know, so it took a little bit, it took a lot of reiterating certain things and, and you know, kind of drilling that down. And funny enough, it kind of started when we went on a trip, a family trip to California, and I think my dad had the idea, or maybe I challenged them to it. I don't remember, but like basically they wanted me to order all their food for the, the trip. Nice. So something like that happened, I can't remember how it came about. And so they actually just ate like me for that period. And then it, it kind of stuck, although they didn't, when they return home, they weren't strictly plant based at that point, they were kind of vegetarian for a while, but eventually they got there.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Oh, that's fantastic. So some of the, you know, the concerns that patients bring up on a regular basis, cuz I've been plant based myself for 10 years and using it in practice because I've been a doctor for a couple of decades now. And so what's interesting was the recurring themes social structure is difficult, right? If you have a spouse or children who don't wanna partake or you're at work and it's difficult or your traveling, so what are some of your most common complaints and what is your recommendations for helping people solve those type of problems?

Dr. Matthew Nagra: I, I think the social thing is a big one for travel at this point, I don't see it a huge issue. Sometimes people just need a few tips to order. You knows if they're out and about, but that's a pretty easy one. I think social situations are the toughest because you know, you are, you're automatically the minority. In most cases you know, people will start asking questions and especially if you're new to it, you might not be all that educated on how to answer all these questions. You know, that's normal. That's actually what I think one of the reasons that I was so driven to try to learn as much as I can about all this stuff was because I was just constantly, especially through school, I was bombarded with stuff all the time and it was some fringe comments. Someone might make about some topic that doesn't even matter, but I didn't know how to answer it, you know, and those sorts of things kinda drove me nuts.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: <Laugh> but, but when it comes to those social situations, I think there's a couple ways to go about it in those early stages. For starters, don't beat yourself up. If you wanna stick to a 90% plant based diet. That's great. You're, you're so much better off than you were if you were, you know, at your kind of standard second, I think it's actually really good to, to maybe speak up in those earlier days. So I speaking from example when or for personal experience when I was visiting my family out in California, and this is when my fam my parents kind of first transitioned towards a plant-based diet, I would always be the one be like, oh, sorry, I, I'm not having that because you know, I'm, I don't eat the animal products. And I'd explain why. And then, you know, the next time we go, they actually have plant based options.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: If I hadn't spoken up that first time, that wouldn't happen. So there's that little bit of discomfort, maybe having to speak up and having to be that, that person <laugh> during, during that first kind of meal out with, with certain individuals. But I think that, you know, especially if they're good friends or, you know, close family in that, they'll be receptive to it. And, you know, maybe next time they'll make sure to have some options there. And if not, you can always bring something, make it like pot, like style too. Right. You can bring something to share and and you know, maybe you'll get other people on board with eating a little more plants. So there are a few ways to go about it. It really depends on the relationships that each individual has with those around them. So it's not like a one size fits all, but I, I think there are a lot of ways to go about it.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: So what is your recommendation for when there's a spouse conflict or older children in the home that are really struggling? What, what would be your suggestion?

Dr. Matthew Nagra: So are, are you saying like the, say a mother or father's

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Yeah, I'll say mom is coming in and she's, she's like, I wanna go plant based. This is a very common occurrence. But maybe the husband doesn't want to, or maybe the husband wants to, and the wife doesn't or mm-hmm <affirmative>, you know, they have kids that don't. So cuz my kids were 13, 15 and 18 when I went to plant based at 10 years ago and luckily everyone and my husband was very, you know, amendable to that and they're all, plant-based my, daughter's a physician. She's plant-based my boys. But you know, it's just, I'm curious what your recommendations are. Cuz I find that that's a recurring issue as well. Like, so what do we do with this? You know, sometimes there's some serious conflict.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Yeah. in that that is tough. And I haven't ever dealt with that. You know, my, my partner's vegan, which is great for, for me course, it makes it helpful. Yeah. It makes it a lot easier. But one of the things that I've worked with, some people on is, you know, making meals that are very, that, that are sort of things you put together, right. Things that are very easy to substitute. So if you're making wraps for example, or burritos, yeah. Maybe your, your partner, your kids want the beef, but you can just have some beans super easy to swap the rest of it. You just throw in there same can go with, like if you're making some burgers, you have your, you know, whole wheat bun, you have your regular Patty, you have your black bean Patty, you throw your veggies on there really easy.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: For, for bowls and things, you can do the same thing. You throw toe one, one, you throw chicken on another it it's. So it's kind of trying to learn how to, to make those meals that maybe aren't like, you know, you're making a lasagna, you can't really substitute out the meat for the, for lentils or something. If you wanted some of that sort of substance in there, it's a little bit tougher to do. You could try to divide it up and that, but but things that you can just tos together, I, I find to be really helpful in that sense and mm-hmm <affirmative> and as the kids grow up, maybe they'll, they'll be making their own meals a little bit more too. So that could help. But if that is one of the more challenging issues I would say, mm.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: And then let's say you have someone who is coming to their doctor. Right. And so this is another question cuz you know, they may see you for a particular thing or see someone else. What is your recommendations for that patient whose Dr. May actually may be pushing back? Cuz I've certainly seen that as well in as far as like how do, should they speak to their doctor? What, what would you recommend there? Just some thoughts.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: So that, that is a tough one. That is something that I do deal with. Like I've had, I've had patients whose oncologists told them to avoid soy and, and, and things like that. Like it happens, you know? And so in those cases I would just, and maybe have to be comfortable advocating yourself, but I would just ask why, you know, like have them explain it. Why, why is that a concern? And oftentimes I don't think there's a really good answer there because I I'm fortunate that when I see patients, I have a lot of time with them. So for an initial visit, I'll book an hour for follow ups. Sometimes I'll do 15, but I often do 30 minutes. And so if someone has a concern about things like soy or just plant based diets and a specific issue in geNagral, I'll sit down, I'll, I'll open my Google doc with my, you know, thousands of articles and we'll go through some of 'em and I'll explain in depth, you know, why this is or is not the case.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: And often they're very receptive to that. But yeah, I, I think that question of just like, why, why is that a concern? Why are you recommending that? I mean, you can always ask, you can ask that for anything, doesn't have to be nutrition related. You should always be able to ask that and hopefully get an answer out it. And if you're not getting a very good answer out of it, maybe that's just not their area of expertise and that's okay. You can maybe talk to someone who has more knowledge in that area, whether it be a dietician or, or whoever. Right. Mm-hmm <affirmative> so, so that kinda be my advice around it.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Perfect. That's yeah. That's, that's excellent. And always advocate for yourself, patients. They just don't. Right. So many times they just do whatever is recommended and they don't understand what's going on and yeah, absolutely. That's definitely cool. So what are some of your favorite resources, speaking of, you know, your Google sheets and everything. I see some books back there. What are, what are your favorite things to recommend to patients?

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Oh, I love the so this is specific to say cholesterol, Lauren. I love the portfolio diet handout from, I think, university of Toronto or whatever David Jenkins design. Awesome. I use that all the time. I love actually where is it right up there? Simon's book plant proof. It's a little, you know, denser of course, if someone really wants to dive in, I think he does an excellent job highlight a lot of that and I really like his new high protein meal plan. So for athletes if people are looking to, to really maximize nutrition and, and for athletic performance and that I often recommend that for myself and for other clinicians, I like the PCR M nutrition guide for clinicians. I find it not just for nutrition, actually. I hardly honestly use it for that. <Laugh> but it does a good breakdown of the different conditions. What conventional treatment is even like dosing that, so you can use it for, for that as well. Diagnostic, how to diagnose various conditions. It's just a super handy thing to have on your phone or you can buy the hard copy. I'd say those are a few of my, my favorites. Oh. And I have to say becoming vegan by Brenda Davis. If someone wants like the textbook of how to eat a plant-based diet, that's probably the one

Dr. Laurie Marbas: <Laugh>. Absolutely. Those are fantastic. Yeah. The PCR M that's been around for a while to help Doug. So that's, that was one of the first things I found is like, oh, this is like a godsend. This is fantastic. Yeah. So definitely cool. Very cool. So, you know wrapping up here, closing in on happy the hours, like as far as what advice do you like to tell people who are contemplating doing this, but they're on the fence. They're not quite sure. What, what is your favorite type of advice to give to someone?

Dr. Matthew Nagra: If, if it's just overwhelming to make that sort of a switch, I'd just suggest starting with a single meal. I often do that with people too, who are wanting to sort of transition, but maybe don't know where to start. Let's let's just do breakfast. I find that so easy. You've got your, you can do like a whole wheat toast. You can do oatmeal, you can do profu scramble. If you wanna make something a little bit more elaborate you can do a little like par phase with some like soy yogurt or something. I mean, there's a million different options. They're typically really easy, simple to put together and then rotate through them for two weeks, three weeks, take a month if you need, you know, it doesn't matter. And and once you've kind of gotten a routine with that, okay, we can put that aside, let's move on to lunch and we'll do the same thing with dinner. Like it doesn't have to be overnight. Just take it one step at a time.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Perfect. That's excellent. I, that's a very common advice and I love it cuz it's really simple to employ and manageable and sustainable. So very good. Excellent. Well thank you again and everyone, where can you, can you tell us where to find you? Of course those links will be in the, the shown us, but could you verbalize that for us? So in case people are just listening.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Yeah. I have a website to Dr. Matthew ara.com. I also am on Instagram. That's where I'm most active. So if people wanna follow me for the content I put out, that's probably the place to do it, but I'm also on Twitter and I get into some discussions on there as well, around nutrition and then on Facebook. And I see you laughing about discussions cause yeah, half the time it ends in debate, but anyways,

Dr. Laurie Marbas: <Laugh>, I avoid Twitter just for that reason. <Laugh>

Dr. Matthew Nagra: But I, I like Twitter because a lot of the researchers are on there. So to actually be able to directly communicate with them, I think is, is great. And, and they can often elaborate on things. So it has its pros and cons for sure.

Dr. Laurie Marbas: Absolutely. And you're 140 character discussions. Yeah, absolutely. So <laugh> well, thank you again. And super excited. Could you gave some very solid advice? So guys share this with people who might be interested. If you have any questions, of course you can reach out to on those various social media and your website as well, which we'll share. So thank you again for your time today.

Dr. Matthew Nagra: Thanks for having me on.

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